POSTED RESPONSE TO A COLUMN IN TORONTO’S GLOBE AND MAIL
And a well-earned attack it is.
Abuse and contempt for a people only can go so far before the people respond.
Unless, that is, you are a country like Israel with a demonstrated capacity to slaughter those you abuse.
“JOHN CHUCKMAN and many other fools, are mistaking the handful of backsliding, non practicing, moderate ‘muslims’ that they think they know, for the real thing.
“What makes them think that such pseudo ‘muslims’ speak for Islam?”
It doesn’t get more fanatical and ignorant than that comment.
You cannot summarily characterize more than a billion people.
It is precisely the mindset you display that allowed certain people in the late 1930s and the 1940s to do what they did to whole groups in Europe.
Just as it is precisely Mr. Netanyahu’s demands and violence and irrationality that closely parallel those of the German leader in the Munich Crisis.
Just examine your own beliefs by doing a thought experiment.
If the Muslim people are as awful and hopeless as you believe, why did the Zionist leaders want to found Israel in the middle of them?
Surely that renders the leaders stark-raving mad?
And why have several million Europeans and Americans and others gone there to claim Israeli citizenship?
Seems a wholly irrational, almost suicidal act if Muslims are as you and several other mad barkers here claim.
“His real name is John Phuckedupman”
As soon as people start writing nasty adolescent things like this man, you know their quality of intellect and ethics, in an instant.
By the way, he does such things using a pseudonym.
A genuine coward.
Like the creator of the film.
“I have a proposition for all you lefties who hate jews and love islam. After you marry your boyfriend in the spring, why not spend your honeymoon in the Middle East? I’m sure they’ll be thrilled to have visitors who despise jews as much as they do.”
“Lefties” do not hate Jews.
“Lefties” do not love Islam.
“Lefties” just happen to care about truth and reason and ethics.
Qualities you clearly are missing.
And qualities you in fact hate them for.
Again, if you hate Muslims as much as some people commenting here, it clearly is the most irrational act in the contemporary world to found a state and live surrounded by a couple of hundred million of the people you hate.
Kind of like a believing member of the Klu Klux Klan buying a house in the center of Detroit or on the South Side of Chicago.
Not brave, just irrational.
As far as ancestral homeland, well the world of 2,000 years ago has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the world today.
Nor should it have.
Otherwise, Rome would still rule Palestine. Greece would rule Turkey owing to the Trojan War.
So many states ruled Palestine if you go back several thousand years that you could say Egypt should rule it today or Lebanon (the Phoenicians) or Iran (Persia), and on and on.
By the way, an idea of long speculation – the actual origin of Ashkanazi European Jews – has now been demonstrated scientifically through extensive DNA sampling by researchers at Johns-Hopkins University.
Their origin is not the Hebrew people of Biblical lore but the Kazahr people who live in the Caucasus one thousand years ago.
The idea has long been a source of speculation – there are many subtle but not definitive non-DNA bits of evidence – and some of the Zionist founders were well aware of it.
Now it is demonstrated.
Ancestral claim to Palestine?
Pretty clearly not.
And there is also the idea, with a growing body of evidence, that it is the Palestinians themselves who are the descendants of the ancient Hebrews.
The Romans never followed the practice of scattering a whole people out of a homeland they conquered. They would kill leaders and stubborn opponents, but those willing to accept the relatively mild yoke of Rome were always left to be.
Rome even tolerated all religious practices in their conquered lands, so long as the people were not opposed to Rome.
Of course centuries and centuries of history changed the religious identity of these descendants of the Hebrews, as it did so many others in many parts of the ancient world.
“you think these countries are the only ones with negative influences in that cess pool you should add a few of those european countries to your list, espeacially france and england.’
No, of course not.
Abuse has occurred throughout human history.
Organized Christianity’s history of abuse and horrors is largely behind us, but it was an immense and complex history of horrors.
But these are the people today before our eyes as it were – a world of television, cell phones, and the Internet.
And I sympathize with the little guy, the victim, always.
And I really tire of the flood of prejudiced and ignorant statements about a whole people.
For those who want a tale of Christianity’s history of bloodshed, see: