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JOHN CHUCKMAN COMMENT: SHABBY EFFORT TO MALIGN BDS – ISRAEL AND APARTHEID SOUTH AFRICA – ON BUILDING IRON WALLS INSTEAD OF BRIDGES – ISRAEL’S HELP WITH SOUTH AFRICAN NUCLEAR WEAPONS – WHY THERE IS NO “ISRAEL-PALESTINE CONFLICT” – IT’S A MANUFACTURED PHRASE TO HIDE REALITY   Leave a comment

John Chuckman

EXPANSION OF COMMENTS POSTED TO AN ARTICLE BY GIL TROY ON CBC NEWS

 

“The BDS movement is nefarious, but it’s better to push back politically — not legally

“Anti-BDS legislation in the U.S. is unhelpful. BDS should be fought subtly, without giving it too much oxygen”

 

“The BDS movement is nefarious, but it’s better to push back politically — not legally”

 

The first part of that statement is simply insupportable.

Boycotts changed the landscape of Nationalist South Africa, peacefully. They played a big role in the American civil rights movement, too. What’s nefarious about that?

A boycott is a peaceful expression of disapproval, one with some economic bite, for the unacceptable acts of states. Free expression by millions.

The word “nefarious” has no place in the discussion. It actually could only fairly be applied to the author himself, for his effort, more roundabout than most, to equate criticism of a well-armed state with a form of prejudice.

Advocating a grant of exceptional status to any state – as in seeking to absolve it of blame or consequences for its wrongdoing – represents genuine prejudice.

It doesn’t matter whether the method used to obtain that status is constant social pressure, as we get with countless articles like this one, or lobby-driven, anti-democratic legislation. The result is the same, the suppression of the rights of millions to express their disapproval of something they regard as seriously wrong.

Would any clear-thinking person regard that as a suitable goal? Guaranteeing a powerful state that it may do as it pleases without objection or consequences?

“Anti-Semitism” claims about criticism of Israel’s actual behavior – not its identity, not its religion, not its ethnicity, but its actual behavior – are precisely parallel with someone’s having claimed that criticism of the Soviet Union – and we all know there was a great deal, both at home and abroad, to criticize in the practices of the Soviet Union – was the same thing as hating Russians, what today we would call “Russophobia.”

Anyone can understand the absurdity of that.

The only thing different in Israel’s case is the charged, threatening atmosphere that always accompanies accusations of “anti-Semitism,” an atmosphere that has been deliberately cultivated by apologists over many years.

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Response to another comment:

Well said. Exactly the case.

The United States government was long in Nationalist South Africa’s corner because South Africa was viewed as such a strategically important place during the Cold War.

Only the acts of millions of individuals and some companies, voting with their pocket books, finally drove the American government to act against South Africa.

And we all know the story after that. Apartheid died a welcome death.

Nothing about the Israeli situation is any different. Not a thing, except names and location.

We see open abuse and oppression. We see millions of people with no citizenship and no legal rights being held against their will. We see unequal laws and unequal treatment under the law.

For more than half a century. Good God. It’s appalling, but our governments and public figures are intimidated, afraid of being labelled “anti-Semitic,” in what itself is an unfair and genuinely nefarious campaign.

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Response to another comment:

Well said.

Of course, it is not anti-Semitic.

Calling people who are concerned with human rights names like that is abusive and unacceptable.

By the way, concerning your reference to “building bridges,” perhaps the most famous Zionist writer, a Russian named Ze’ev Jabotinsky, regarded as a founder of modern Israel, wrote of the need for building “an iron wall.”

And that approach, from the beginning has characterized modern Israel, it maintains an iron wall.

It even keeps extending the area which the iron wall covers.

Albert Einstein offered a completely different approach to Palestine, but he was ignored.

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Response to another comment:

That is true about weapons and South Africa and Israel.

It is also true that Israel secretly assisted Apartheid South Africa to become, for a brief while, another small nuclear power.

The nuclear weapons were given up and dismantled after the fall of the Nationalists.

But the very fact Israel was assisting the Apartheid government in such a fashion tells us something about its feelings and attitudes of the time concerning human rights and democracy.

There have been relatively few cases of genuine proliferation in the history of nuclear weapons, and Israel’s was perhaps the most dramatic.

The story has always been downplayed in the mainline press, but over time, we have received enough information, here or there, to know some truth.

The United States in those days was definitely in Apartheid South Africa’s corner for Cold War strategic considerations.

And South Africa was then always playing up its anti-Communist credentials for America’s benefit. Of course, they could also say what a terrible threat the ANC and Nelson Mandela were to “the West” since they were regarded as having communist sympathies.

A few years back, we had an old secret document from top government officials in Israel released by South Africa, a document which concerned Israel’s willingness to sell “a package” to Nationalist South Africa. We know the Nationalists had at least six nuclear warheads when their government collapsed. Israel wanted to keep strong ties with South Africa for its long-term supplies of strategic materials.

Israel also assisted the Nationalists in building nuclear-capable missiles, South Africa having several such missiles at the time of its collapse.

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Response to another comment:

Your tone is reasonable, but there is no such thing as an “Israel-Palestine conflict.”

That term is a creation of the mainline press. It hides far more than it reveals.

What we have is an occupation with constant abuse of five or six million people who have no rights at all and live under laws written and interpreted by their occupier.

The “conflict” could be over swiftly were Israel just to return to its original borders and tear down walls and fences and machine-gun towers built on the property of others.

But that is not going to happen any time soon. The government of the United States, which could enforce it – indeed, would have to enforce it – simply will not do so. Lobby interests hold the American government in a dark place regarding fairness or peace or rights in the region.

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JOHN CHUCKMAN COMMENT: IRAN’S FIRST VICE-PRESIDENT MOHAMMAD REZA RAHMI MAKES SOME STUPID REMARKS ABOUT JEWS – BUT WORDS LIKE HIS ARE FAR LESS DANGEROUS THAN ACTS LIKE ISRAEL’S – AND CONSIDER THE PRESSURES NOW PUT ON IRAN   Leave a comment

 

 

 

JOHN CHUCKMAN

POSTED RESPONSES TO A COLUMN IN TORONTO’S GLOBE AND MAIL

Isn’t this just the kind of garbage which always and everywhere happens in the wake of someone with a reputation for atrocious behavior?

There are countless fantasy stories about famous gangsters or dictators, stories conceived in the minds of the unthinking or credulous or paranoid, but these stories are in fact stimulated by other real behaviors which are terrible.

Of course, Remi’s accusations are fantasy nonsense, but there is nothing nonsensical about Israel’s genuine abusive and brutal behaviors.

It does kill and it does steal and it does abuse millions, virtually with impunity.

And I do think those acts more dangerous and reprehensible than this man’s muttering.

Were Israel finally to demonstrate some generosity of spirit towards its neighbors and stop threatening everyone, it would do more to shut up such stuff than all the official condemnations in the world.
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“And the Pro Iran Fan club and western leftist tell us Iranian government officials do not have anything against Jew?”

There is no “pro Iran fan club,” but your saying there is is just as stupidly thoughtless as Remi’s nonsense.

How about dealing with the genuine abuses and crimes of Israel?

They are not fantasy. They are real.

And did the thought ever enter your head, however fleetingly, that when Israel – an Israel which has attacked every neighbor that it has, many more than once, and maintains millions in semi-bondage and tries starving out the people of Gaza – daily threatens Iran, it just might have an effect of this nature?

Words, however stupid, are cheap and retractable.

Bombing, shooting, abusing, and torturing are not.
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“I am asking you [Chuckman] and anyone that claims that Rahimi’s statements are just not so important, what would have been the reaction if this hate would have been uttered by an Israeli?”

You misspeak.

I did not say – read my words – that the words were unimportant, only that they are far, far less important than systematic oppression, theft, torture, threats, and killing.

There are bad words on all sides. You may easily find quotes from prominent Israelis advocating the ethnic cleansing of all non-Jews from Israel as well as horrible words about Palestinians being vermin, words spoken by ultra-Orthodox rabbis.

The simple truth is that modern Iran has attacked no one in its entire history.

And what of Israel?

It has attacked every neighbor, and it never stops threatening.

Perhaps you have no experience or imagination in such matters, but I am confident that human psychology is badly strained by endless threats – almost as in the case when someone stalks you for a long period. Even rational people are subject to fears and terrors.

And it has been more than threats.

Israeli agents assassinated, with magnetic car bombs, several innocent Iranian scientists recently.

And Israel worked with the United States to create Stuxnet and Flame, the most dangerous computer malware ever discovered.

Stuxnet got out onto the Net, and it may very well have been responsible for the failure of Japanese controls on the horribly-failed nuclear power station at Fukushima.

Moreover, a huge and threatening American sea armada sits not far from Iran.

Reportedly, there is also an Israeli German-built submarine which is nuclear-capable with a cruise missile.

But Iran has done absolutely nothing to deserve this oppressive treatment.

All intelligence reports worth talking about confirms that there is no nuclear weapons program.

Wasn’t the horror of Iraq – a million dead and millions of refugees – enough for Israel’s apologists?

The same arguments were made of Iraq, and they were entirely false.

But, please recall, Israel not only refuses to join the Non-proliferation Treaty, it refuses all inspections – as Iran does not.

And we know Israel in fact has a nuclear arsenal, one about which it regularly lies.

We’ve seen actual photos from Mordechai Vanunu, whom Israeli agents drugged and threw into prison.

We’ve seen a test flash some years ago – likely done in cooperation with South Africa – in from a spy satellite.

We know now that the German-built diesel-electric subs being given to Israel at knock-down prices have gear for handling a nuclear-capable cruise missile.

And we know from Jimmy Carter, perhaps the most honest and honorable man to be President since Lincoln, that Israel has at least 150 nuclear warheads.

And we know to a certainty that Israel helped South Africa in becoming a nuclear power, seeing in apartheid South Africa not only a kindred spirit but an important source of strategic raw materials.

Please, you tell me where any reasonable person, not an ideologue for Israel, sees the real threats and dangers?

And last, let’s not forget that Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela both have said that what they see in Israel resembles South African apartheid.
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“Chuckman…we get it you hate Jews.”

That is simply brutally stupid.

Indeed, how is that any different to the words of the Iranian official?

Of course, it is not. Just a cheap way to answer well-ordered facts you cannot deal with.

I believe in logic it is called ad hominem argument.

But then logic has nothing to do with your words, does it?